Archive for March, 2008

MPGs and Fuel Brands can be Compared

Monday, March 31st, 2008

About a month ago I visited the discussion category of Fuel Economy and Emissions appealing to all hybrid owners. I was truly impressed with Bob Wilson’s post about how different gas stations or brands can affect your gas mileage. Here is the original link…

http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f…gher-mpg-1266/

Bob has a super cool “eyeball candy” chart with several gasoline brands that were tested in his Prius. He drove his car up a steep grade and was able to measure the gasoline’s Watts/Gram generated under a load. On Bob suggestion I did my own test. My results were posted among all the other hybrid owners can view it but I would like to post this information back over here with the other Camry information.

In my neighborhood we have a wide variety of stations to choose from. Last summer I checked the temperature at all at these stations and found Phillip 66 to be the most consistent @ 60 degrees. I was surprised how hot the gas was at the other stations.

Over this past winter my mileage had dropped to 33 – 34 mpg for what I thought was the cooler weather.

At Bob’s suggestion, I followed these steps: I live near a long STEEP grade on I-70 called Mont Vernon Canyon. My test was from Mile post 260 to 255 near the top, a 5 mile testing hill. I set the curse control at 60 and turned the heating and cooling off.

I did not run the car out of gas between tanks but emptied the tank to the “Cursing Range” read about 10 miles to go and then added 10 gallons. At least 90% of the gas was from the station listed below. I used only the 85 octane, (Colorado’s 87 octane). I have not tested the mid-grade or higher yet.

I made three trips up and down the grade, a total of 16 miles round trip on each brand of gas. The mileage would drop for each trip and then level off. I believe this was the extra battery power level being used up in the first trips. I believe the last trip value to be the most accurate reading.
Overall the MPGs variances were not significant but I notice a large increase in the overall tank averages.

Safeway was the clear winner. What was most interesting was that the overall tank average moved up from Phillip 66 - 34 mpg to Safeway’s–41 mpg. Sinclair’s overall tank average was 39 mpg.

I understand Safeway receives most of its gas from a refinery in Wyoming. Most of the gasoline in Colorado comes from one refinery located in Denver. The downside of Safeway is that they will buy from the local refinery from time to time.

Here are the results:
Safeway Outside Temp 36 degrees
Trip Number 1—18.9
Trip Number 2—18.9
Trip Number 3—18.8

Sinclair Outside Temp 37 degrees
Trip Number 1—18.4
Trip Number 2—18.2
Trip Number 3—18.2

Bradley Outside Temp 41 degrees
Trip Number 1—18.3
Trip Number 2—18.3
Trip Number 3—18.2

Shell Outside Temp 41 degrees

Trip Number 1—18.1
Trip Number 2—18.0
Trip Number 3—18.0

Phillip 66 Outside Temp 43 degrees
Trip Number 1—18.1
Trip Number 2—17.9
Trip Number 3—17.7
Trip Number 4—17.7

Much is made about pumping gas slowly, buying gas in the morning to get colder gas. It appears the power produced by the gasoline will have a greater impact on improving the value received from your purchase. This will become a greater issue as the price of gas climbs later this summer. Nothing like knowing the REAL value for the prices paid.

My final thought would be the computers in the TCH have the ability to measure performance of gasoline over time considering all the data points that are available within the computers. The car’s computer could set benchmarks for the best performing tanks of gas and measure against the current tank. Engineers could design a Power Scale from poor to average to excellent. Hybrid cars are sensitive to minor changes that can make a big difference. Know the true quality of the gas could help making better decisions about what brands and locations to make your purchase. I’m sure these values will change over the coming summer months. Each station’s delivery could be different, tank to tank.

I thought you would like to know this and you may want to consider this kind of test on your daily commute.

Cheers!

Bill

Original post by HyCAMBill

HCHII Problems…

Monday, March 31st, 2008

As you may know, I have been running E85 in my car for the past couple of months. I am not sure if the ethanol, my conversion, or something else is causing problems, but I am experiencing some.

1. The first problem happened about a month after I began running E85. The Check Engine Light (CEL) would come on and go off every few days. This has continued to occur.

2. Secondly, my engine is acting a bit funny. If I am in P or N and I rev my engine up, it hits 4,500 RPM and drops back to 4,000. It bounces back and forth between 4,000 and 4,500. I’m not sure if this has to do with the same issue as my CEL. It’s not really an issue, because I don′t sit there in P and rev my engine. I did some testing, and I can get way past 4,500 RMP when I’m driving (killed my MPG tho :()

3. Third, and worst problem so far: "Brake System" light came on today on my way home. At first the brakes were acting funny (before the light came on). By funny, I mean stopping more abruptly than usual. Once the light came on, I experienced a few changes: -No regenerative braking (I had do shift to S to slow down and regen) -It took a little longer for the iFE guage to make out, but when I did coast I had only 0-2 bars of regen (made it nice and easy to coast though). I came home and went to take the car for a test drive to further investigate the symptoms, but everything is OK now, and the light went off. I know that if I take it into the dealer, they won′t do anything if I don′t have any symptoms.

If anyone has any suggestions for me, I would greatly appreciate them. I am getting a scanguage tomorrow, which hopefully will help me find out what is causing the CEL. My next tank will probably be regular gas, and I will remove the E85 conversions to see what goes on. Any thoughts appreciated.

Original post by giantquesadilla

Convert Your Car To Run On Water For Better Gas Mileage!

Monday, March 31st, 2008

Sure there are many another techniques to better gas mileage, but will they genuinely create a difference? Because what you’re really looking for as an answer is probably how can you find a way to…

Original post by default@goarticles.com (Frank Wyte)

Adding fog lights-what brand?

Monday, March 31st, 2008

I am looking at adding fogs to my TCH. I am looking at JDM Clear fog lights, any suggestions? Also, they don’t come with instructions, any idea where I could find instructions? Where is the best place to add the switch on the dash? I have added fogs to many of my vehicles, however the battery was under the hood, not in the trunk. I assume there is a spot in the fuse box which is hot to tap into or takes a relay? Also any better prices, I have found the JDM’s for $82.99 including shipping.

Original post by UWAdventurer

Lack of Assist

Monday, March 31st, 2008

Lately my car is being very stingy with the amount of Assist it gives when moving from a dead stop. The HCH II behaves a little different everyday, I find, but this is becoming more consistent lately and it’s causing my mpg to suffer. I can have 7 bars of battery charge and yet only get 2, maybe 3, Assist bars when accelerating, where I usually get 3-4 bars easy. This is causing me to use more gas when accelerating from a dead stop. I have to really step on it, just to see if I can get more than 3 bars of Assist, which I can. And I get the 4 bars of Assist when I’m coasting in &quotEV&quot easily.

Now I know that there are some drivers that wish they didn’t have so much Assist when accelerating, but I like it and it allows me to have 60+/-mpgs during my 33 mile commute everyday. Today I really struggled to have 52mpg. I can’t figure out why it’s behaving this way.

Has anyone else experienced this? I keep reading about software updates and wonder if I need one.

Jess

Original post by Jess

My custom 2008 HCH

Monday, March 31st, 2008

In another thread noflash asked me about posting some photos of my 2008 HCH with it’s aftermarket wheels, so go easy on me.

Original post by baludwiguwm

Hybrid Buses are Gaining Ground Across the Globe

Monday, March 31st, 2008

In 1991, in the infancy of hybrid technology, the Hino Corporation of Japan introduced its biofriendly Blue Ribbon Hybrid City Bus. (1) Since that time, many other companies have followed suit…

Original post by default@goarticles.com (Peter Verhoeff)

Blind pedestrians may not hear hybrid cars

Monday, March 31st, 2008

Quote:

Bashin, who is sightless, is working with the National Federation of the Blind to push legislation that could eventually require installation of "noise emitting" devices on hybrids and other vehicles that run at least part of the time on electric power.

That prospect doesn’t sit well with some car owners. The message board at greenhybrid.com, a website for hybrid enthusiasts, has seen lively debates over the issue. In one recent post, a Toyota Camry hybrid owner wrote that "the world around us is getting louder and along come hybrids and WHAM! They get blasted by a group claiming they are too quiet."


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f…,3939014.story

Original post by Jason

How I was already tracking mileage

Monday, March 31st, 2008

Quote:

ALAN FALK, 62, is a Prius driver who lives in Raleigh.

Before he got involved in the &quotGas Chronicles&quot series, Falk was already keeping his own color-coded spreadsheet, with mpg averages for his drives across the country and North Carolina. Falk also has been uploading his mpg stats onto www.greenhybrid.com, a site where hybrid owners share practical advice and compare their fuel efficiency.

"You can see the data for hundreds of people who are a little obsessive-compulsive and religious about their hybrids," Falk said.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1015855.html

Original post by Jason

What should I be paying for a new 08 FEH?

Monday, March 31st, 2008

My unit is on the way and I’m wondering what I should be paying.

My salesman is also a friend and I’m a little reluctant to "twist his arm". Different friend who used to work for a Ford dealer says that I shouldn’t be paying the sticker price.

The sticker price with options is $35,919 plus $1250 in delivery for a total of $37,169 (Canadian)

When I ordered there was a promo of about $500 or $1000 towards delivery so I think I′ll get that off the price but what I want to know how much &quotroom&quot there is in the price for my friend/salesman to still make some money and give me a good deal.

(This is all forgetting that on the US Ford website a base model FWD FEH is listed at $26,505 and on the Canadian site it’s at $31,499 :angry: … current exchange says the Canadian price should be more like $27,186! )

Original post by Valiant Indecision

Full nose mask affect on FE?

Monday, March 31st, 2008

I will driving 1200 miles in about two weeks, I’m thinking about ordering the full nose mask for my 2008 HCHII to protect it from flying rocks, etc while driving on the Interstate. What is the affect on FE, if any?

Other comments on the nose mask? TIA!!

Original post by pagemap

Altered Operation or Overly Sensitive?

Monday, March 31st, 2008

I’ve noticed two interesting things in the last few months which I don’t recall noticing before. I’m wondering if they’re side effects to the harness &quotvoluntary service&quot with the &quotreprogrammed&quot software, or if they happen, and I just never noticed, or don’t remember noticing before (Remember, this is really only for the older FEHs out there):

1. ICE off with a Red. Yeah, this is pretty odd. A few weeks ago, I was running the defroster on my way home, a nice near freezing night in MI, with some light snow, and slowing at a light, the ICE drops off, like in normal operation and is off for the duration of the light. I’d gone about 12 miles of a 25 mile trip, and it had been parked outside for the last several hours, accumulating snow and ice on it during that time. I was astonished, as I double checked, I was in a red, and the defroster was working when the ICE was on, but dropped off when the ICE stopped.

2. More Friction Braking. This one may just be a side note to again, cold operations. I′ve noticed that again, here in freezing MI (not so much lately, but earlier in Jan/Feb) that during the warm up operations, I don’t get as much regen as I recall getting, which as memory serves, was always a trickle and any more would be shunted to the ICE as bleedoff until the battery was warmer. Or, if I am getting regen, it’s not showing up on the power display or on the C/A meter. Once it’s warmed enough, it stops doing this, and operates as I recall it does. However, during warm up, it seems like I′m using friction brakes quite a bit more then I recall it doing so in the past.

Original post by Pravus Prime

Trading stocks and options on NYSE Arca gets cheaper, effective tomorrow

Monday, March 31st, 2008

From the press release, issued earlier today:

NYSE Arca Equities Fee Schedule Reductions
In Nasdaq-listed (Tape C) securities (including ETFs), the new NYSE Arca equities fee schedule provides for increased rebates, decreased “take” fees and reduced routing fees for large liquidity providers based on monthly average daily share volumes. In particular:

· A rebate of $0.0026 per share for orders that provide liquidity and a fee of $0.00245 per share for orders that take liquidity will apply for customers who transact average daily share volume per month greater than 60 million shares in total, including the provision of liquidity of more than 30 million average daily shares. The routing fee for orders that meet this volume threshold will be $0.0026 per share for orders routed away and executed by another market center or participant.

· A rebate of $0.0025 per share for orders that provide liquidity and a fee of $0.0026 per share for orders that take liquidity will apply for customers who transact average daily share volume per month greater than 30 million shares in total, including the provision of liquidity of more than 15 million average daily shares. The routing fee for orders that meet this volume threshold will be $0.0026 per share for orders routed away and executed by another market center or participant.

· All other customers will receive a rebate of $0.0020 per share for orders that provide liquidity, a fee of $0.0026 per share for orders that take liquidity, and a routing fee of $0.0035 per share for orders routed away and executed by another market center or participant.

For NYSE-listed (Tape A) securities, the new NYSE Arca equities fee schedule introduces an increased rebate of $0.0028 per share for orders that provide liquidity if the liquidity provider transacts an average daily share of providing volume per month greater than 30 million on NYSE Arca.

Pricing remains unchanged on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) in NYSE-listed securities (Tape A) and for trading in all Tape B securities (including ETFs). The NYSE continues to offer the most attractive take fee in NYSE-listed securities of $0.0008 per share for all customers.
Firms interested in advertising quotes in their own names can do so using NYSE Arca’s attribution capability, which is available through major vendors and service bureaus such as Fidessa, Lava Trading and SunGard BRASS.

NYSE Arca Option Fee Schedule Reductions
NYSE Arca Options will modify the “post/take” fee structure for electronic executions in all penny pilot issues, effectively lowering the “take” fee for all customers as well as providing a higher market maker rebate on incremental volume above certain liquidity provision levels.

NYSE Arca Options will reduce the liquidity “take” rate from $0.50 to $0.45 per contract for all market participants. The NYSE Arca trading system will automatically route orders to other exchanges if the national best bid and offer (NBBO) is not available on NYSE Arca. Routed orders executed at other exchanges will only be charged the reduced $0.45 “take” rate per contract. NYSE Arca Options provides a powerful combination with the lowest take fee together with deep liquidity and private smart-order routing capabilities that bring faster executions and fulfill best execution obligations.

NYSE Arca Options will provide additional incentives to NYSE Arca Market Makers for posting immediate or ultimately executed liquidity. Market Makers that achieve specific thresholds for posted, executed volume in penny pilot issues will receive additional credits.
Execution type Rebate per contract for posting “Take/Route” fee per contract
Customer $0.25 $0.45
Broker Dealer $0.25 $0.45
Market Maker $0.30 $0.45
Market Maker $0.31 for incremental volume over 1 million contracts/month $0.45
Market Maker $0.35 for incremental volume over 5 million contracts/month $0.45

Hope that’s a bit of good news on a day when the Yanks’ Opening Day got rained out until tomorrow. Was going to watch it in my office today and had to work instead. Can you imagine?

Today in NYSE History
31 Mar 1910 — The NYSE’s Unlisted Securities Department was abolished and its stocks - mostly industrial companies - were transferred to the regular list.

Original post by admin

Hello Everyone

Monday, March 31st, 2008

Hello Everyone:angel:

I am big fan of rally cars and bikes and I am feeling nice among this community.

Original post by andykhol23

Benefits Of Different Hybrid Vehicles

Monday, March 31st, 2008

Sure, hybrid automobiles are hot nowadays.

Vehicles sold in the United States today, on the average, gets a combined highway and city EPA fuel usage estimate of some 20.4 miles per gallon (mpg&amp#4…

Original post by default@goarticles.com (GARKO NOVIS)